Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility for bottedclients

[mark at edgewire.sg (mark [at] edgewire)]

The end problem is still users and really, these users will click on  
anything that has a bright and shiny button which says, Ok. Really,  
does setting up a portal help? Perhaps a "sandboxed"  area which has  
some information on securing their machine and keeping it clean may be  
the way to go but how much more of a resource will it chew up?

Best regards,

Mark

On 06-Oct-2009, at 11:56 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:

>
> On Oct 6, 2009, at 1:20 AM, Eugeniu Patrascu wrote:
>
>> Gadi Evron wrote:
>>> Barton F Bruce wrote:
>>>> Stopping the abuse is fine, but cutting service to the point that  
>>>> a family
>>>> using VOIP only for their phone service can't call 911 and  
>>>> several children
>>>> burn to death could bring all sorts of undesirable regulation let  
>>>> alone the
>>>> bad press and legal expenses.
>>>
>>> While a legitimate concern it's also a red herring, as it's a  
>>> technical problem looking for a technical solution.
>>>
>>>   Gadi.
>>>
>> I think the need for someone being able to call 911 from their VoIP  
>> outweighs your right to claim that they should be disconnected from  
>> the Internet.
>>
>>
>> Besides, if that provider wants to help out, he might setup a  
>> captive portal or something with information regarding tools to  
>> clean their computer.
>
> I disagree... Distributed Denials of Service have gotten to the  
> point where they can actually endanger
> lives.  Think about this... In order to be able to make your 911  
> VOIP call, the VOIP provider has to
> be able to process your call.  The system that is getting  
> disconnected because it is an active source
> of abuse may be one of many participating in a DOS against someone  
> elses 911 VOIP provider.
> Removing them from the internet could be saving more lives than it  
> risks.
>
> Someone else pointed out that if the system in question has been  
> botted/owned/pwn3d/whatever
> you want to call it, then, you can't guarantee it would make the 911  
> call correctly anyway.
>
> Owen
>
>