Verizon FiOS outbound mail TLS problem - Superpages people here?

[sixsigma44 at hotmail.com (Ray)]

We had a similar issue around November last year where an upgrade on our
 PostFix MTA to a current version of OpenSSL, which has Mandatory TLS 
enabled for certain recipient domains, suddenly started generating the 
same errors with just one recipient domain.

We eventually figured
 out that the problem was they were running an outdated version of the 
AsyncOS on their Cisco IronPorts. Firmware versions prior to 8.02 had 
several problems with TLS and one of them was an inability to 
interoperate with senders who used a newer version of OpenSSL. Their 
IronPort logs in fact showed a TLS connection was established when it 
wasn't. (We had switched them to Opportunistic TLS to be able to send 
emails but their logs still showed TLS while a PCAP showed clear text 
SMTP.)

As soon as that company updated their IronPorts to a v8.5 
variant the problem went away. They would not tell us what version they 
used to run but did confirm it was prior to v8.02.

Interestingly, www.checktls.com
 said they were OK. The admins at Check TLS confirmed that, at that time
 (the end of 2014), they were running a version of OpenSSL on their 
website that was still compatible with the older AsyncOS version. 

FWIW,

Ray
> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 11:46:35 -0500
> From: blake at ispn.net
> To: nanog at nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Verizon FiOS outbound mail TLS problem - Superpages people here?
> 
> I have no relation, but as a mail server operator I can say that I 
> wouldn't be surprised if this is actually a TLS version mismatch or 
> intolerance problem. I would suggest ensuring that both ends support TLS 
> 1.0, 1.1, and 1.2 and use version tolerant TLS implementations. Next on 
> the short list would be not having compatible cyphers between the two 
> servers.
> 
> Either way, since the error was a 403 error, the expected behavior would 
> be to queue and retry in plain text; Sounds like a broken MTA 
> implementation or misconfiguration if the sending servers do not revert 
> to plain text.
> 
> --Blake
> 
> Jay Ashworth wrote on 6/4/2015 11:15 AM:
> > Anyone on the list who does outbound delivery for Verizon (which I think
> > is actually Superpages)?  A client has smart-hosted outbounds to *one*
> > of his customers bouncing suddenly with
> >
> >    Deferred: 403 4.7.0 TLS handshake failed.
> >
> > *My* inclination is to think that a cert expired somewhere, but his non-tech
> > contact there tells him that the tech people think things are ok.
> >
> > I'm trying to get a mailer log fragment from them.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -- jra
> >
>