> On Jun 10, 2015, at 05:08, Roland Dobbins <rdobbins at arbor.net> wrote: > Another thought is governmentally-driven censorship, something else I encounter a lot in my travels. I was talking a few weeks ago with a developer type from China who said something to the effect of ?Hosted X is a problem because while developer types have experience getting around firewalls, [manager types] do not??