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On 02/27/2015 02:53 PM, Scott Helms wrote:
> "My point is that the option should be there, at the consumer level."
>
> Why? What's magical about symmetry? Is a customer better served by
> having a 5mbps/5mbps over a 25mbps/5mbps?
>
Why not 25/25?
50MB/s might be tough to fill, but even at home I can get good use out
of the odd 25MB/s upstream burst for a few minutes.
>
> "There are so many use cases for this, everything from personal game
> servers to on-line backups, that the lack of such offerings is an
> indication of an unhealthy market."
>
> Until we get NAT out of the way, this is actually much harder to
> leverage than you might think. I don't think there is anything
> special about symmetrical bandwidth, I do think upstream bandwidth
> usage is going up and will continue to go up, but I don't see any
> evidence in actual performance stats or customers sentiment to show
> that it's going up as fast as downstream demand.
>
>
> Scott Helms
> Vice President of Technology
> ZCorum
> (678) 507-5000
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> http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
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>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Daniel Taylor <dtaylor at vocalabs.com
> <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com>> wrote:
>
> My point is that the option should be there, at the consumer level.
>
> If not for fully symmetrical service (I admit that 50MB/s upstream
> is a tough pipe to fill), at least for significantly higher
> upstream service than is currently available in most neighborhoods.
>
> There are so many use cases for this, everything from personal
> game servers to on-line backups, that the lack of such offerings
> is an indication of an unhealthy market.
>
> On 02/27/2015 02:25 PM, Scott Helms wrote:
>
> Daniel,
>
> We'd have to come to some standard definition of, "But even if
> 1% of users would reasonably be using a fully symmetric link
> to its potential..."
>
> As I said, I have visibility into a large number of symmetric
> connections and without exception they'd fit well into a plan
> that offered upstreams with that had a fractional speed of the
> downstream. Now, keep in mind I'm not talking about 1/10 as a
> ratio here, but 1/5 would accommodate ~99.2% and 1/4 would fit
> ~99.9%. It's also important to note that all of these
> accounts are in the >25mbps down territory so their upstreams
> are >5mbps.
>
> What I see when I look at customer satisfaction ratings is a
> very strong correlation with low uplink speeds and a high
> satisfaction rate when we look at uplink speeds greater than
> 4mbps. What I don't see is an increase in customer
> satisfaction as upload speeds go past ~6mbps. Conversely,
> increases in customer satisfaction with correlate with
> increases in download speeds past ~30mbps before the
> correlation starts weakening.
>
>
> Scott Helms
> Vice President of Technology
> ZCorum
> (678) 507-5000 <tel:%28678%29%20507-5000>
> --------------------------------
> http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
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>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Daniel Taylor
> <dtaylor at vocalabs.com <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com>
> <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com>>>
> wrote:
>
> The statistics certainly *should* be used when provisioning
> aggregate resources.
> But even if 1% of users would reasonably be using a fully
> symmetric link to its potential, that's a good reason to
> at least
> have such circuits available in the standard consumer mix,
> which
> they aren't today.
>
> On 02/27/2015 01:30 PM, Scott Helms wrote:
>
> Daniel,
>
> Well, I wouldn't call using the mean a "myth", after all
> understanding most customer behavior is what we all
> have to
> build our business cases around. If we throw out what
> customers use today and simply take a build it and
> they will
> come approach then I suspect there would fewer of us
> in this
> business.
>
> Even when we look at anomalous users we don't see
> symmetrical
> usage, ie top 10% of uploaders. We also see less
> contended
> seconds on their upstream than we do on the
> downstream. These
> observations are based on ~500k residential and business
> subscribers across North America using FTTH (mostly GPON),
> DOCSIS cable modems, and various flavors of DSL.
>
>
> Scott Helms
> Vice President of Technology
> ZCorum
> (678) 507-5000 <tel:%28678%29%20507-5000>
> <tel:%28678%29%20507-5000>
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> http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
> --------------------------------
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Daniel Taylor
> <dtaylor at vocalabs.com <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com>
> <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com>>
> <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com
> <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com> <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com
> <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com>>>>
> wrote:
>
> But by this you are buying into the myth of the mean.
>
> It isn't that most, or even many, people would take
> advantage of
> equal upstream bandwidth, but that the few who
> would need
> to take
> extra measures unrelated to the generation of that
> content
> to be
> able to do so.
>
> Given symmetrical provisioning, no extra measures
> need to
> be taken
> when that 10 year old down the street turns out to
> be a master
> musician.
>
> On 02/27/2015 11:59 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
>
> This is true in our measurements today, even when
> subscribers
> are given
> symmetrical connections. It might change at some
> point in the
> future,
> especially when widespread IPv6 lets us get
> rid of NAT
> as a de
> facto
> deployment reality.
>
>
> Scott Helms
> Vice President of Technology
> ZCorum
> (678) 507-5000 <tel:%28678%29%20507-5000>
> <tel:%28678%29%20507-5000>
> <tel:%28678%29%20507-5000>
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>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Naslund, Steve
>
>
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> Daniel Taylor VP Operations Vocal
> Laboratories, Inc.
> dtaylor at vocalabs.com <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com>
> http://www.vocalabs.com/ (612)235-5711 <tel:%28612%29235-5711>
>
>
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